List Dictator: We're in sunny California, talking
with Rolf and Matthew in a conference room at the
Shark Tank, where they're waiting to watch the Sharks
take on the current Stanley Cup winners, the New
Jersey Devils. Thank you for taking the time to chat.
<wondering if Matthew is going to sit down or pace
around the room through the entire interview>

Rolf: Matthew, please join us. You can check all
that out later.

Matthew: <sitting down cross legged on the couch>
What was the question again?

List Dictator: We'll start with the obvious question.
Where did you meet?

Rolf: We met in a restaurant/bar where Matthew was
waiting tables. I kept returning for the food -

Matthew: <crossed eyes at Rolf.> Thank you.

Rolf: <smiling> No. I kept returning because I
saw this wonderfully good looking young man with
a......sadness about him. I was intent on finding
out why he was so quiet. I tried everything I could
to get him to talk, but he always seemed to have
something to do, until one day I asked him to go to
the lake with me and the guys. Surprisingly, he
said yes.

Matthew: By that time I knew just about all there
was to know about everyone that was going to be there,
so I wasn't worried. I figured a ride to the lake and
some alone time would be just what I needed. I didn't
have any of that alone time, but I found everything I
ever wanted that weekend in the way of a lover, AND a
boatload of new friends.

List Dictator: How, and at what point, did you decide
to make discipline a part of your relationship?

Matthew: I just walked right up to him and said
"spank me baby!"

Rolf: Matthew! Be a little more serious, please?
And quit fidgeting!

LD: <small smile at the exchange, waiting patiently>

Matthew: <settling down> I knew before getting into
the relationship that Rolf believed in discipline. I
went in with my eyes open, and knowing that I could,
more than most, use that. When we met, I had dropped
out of school, and had no focus in my life. I was
content to live day to day. Rolf came along, and with
his help and the discipline, I went back to school,
and I have now have a purpose in life. Without him,
without the constant discipline, I seriously could see
myself in the gutter.

Rolf: I don't believe that, but I do agree that the
discipline has helped him to grow in ways he didn't
imagine.

LD: That leads into another question asked by a list
member. Matthew seems to run headlong into trouble at
the drop of a hat. Do you hope he'll outgrow that, or
is it part of his charm?

Matthew: Me? *I* go headfirst into trouble? I
think not. It finds me. I try hiding. Under the
covers, under rocks, in the back room. It STILL
finds me.....

Rolf: <laughing> I suppose in some cases, that's
true. But a lot of the time, he just up and does
whatever it is that strikes him as a good thing at
the time, without thought for the consequences.
It's part of what I love so much about him. I am
rather laid back -

Matthew: Logical. Planned. No nonsense -

Rolf: <stern look at Matthew> I think they get the
picture. On the other hand, Matthew is -

Matthew: Funny. Lovable. THE best -

Rolf: A rather free spirit. A Gemini. He fits
that sign perfectly. He's got the sweet, kind, funny,
endearing side, and he's got the devilish side
as well. I NEVER know what the next day holds, much
less the next hour. It's his outlook on life, the
bouncy side of him, the way he always tries to
make people laugh, that I love. And all that
combined into one body spells trouble. I wouldn't
trade it for anything though. <smiling, tousling
Matthew's hair.>

List Dictator: <looking at notes to hide smile at
gesture> How would you see the relationship being
different had you not chosen to make discipline a part
of it?

Rolf: Honestly, I don't know. It's not something
we've ever really talked about. Discipline has always
been a part of who we are, and I don't really see that
changing. We're very comfortable where we're at now.

Matthew: <rubbing backside> Yes, I'm comfortable
too, at least right now. <winks>

List Dicator: Matthew, you're currently in school.
Do you see your discipline changing when you graduate?

Matthew: I wish. That is where MORE than my fair
share of trouble comes from. I WANT to graduate, I
want to learn, but I do NOT like going to class, I
HATE homework and I REALLY hate studying! But once I
graduate, I have a board certified test to take.
There will be a class associated with that, and AT
LEAST six months of SERIOUS studying involved there.
And most
people never pass the test the first time, so it can
drag on for a year, or years. So not anytime in the
near future will anything change. And when I'm
FINALLY done with school and/or studying, the
discipline will still be there, though hopefully not
as pronounced. I guess I'll have to figure out other
ways to get in trouble. <side glance at Rolf>

Rolf: I'm sure you'll manage to somehow.

List Dictator: Let's step away from discipline for a
moment. You two enjoy hockey.

Matthew: No. I detest every one of the 60 plus
games we go to each year.

Rolf: I'd suggest you let the List Dictator finish
his question unless you want relief from this next
game and spend it in a quiet hotel room?

Matthew. Sorry. You were saying?

List Dictator: Aside from hockey, what draws you two
together?

Matthew: Food.

List Dictator: Food?

Matthew: His grilling finesse to be exact. He
fires that up, and it calls me home from anywhere in
the state.

Rolf: If we're talking food, I'd consider letting
him drop out of school and quit work to become a house
husband if he'd fix more of his famous dishes.

Matthew: Really?

Rolf: No. You are not dropping out of school.
<sobering> I actually think it's because we're so
different that we get along so well. I help Matthew
with his responsibilities in life, and he helps
me.....live a little more freely. We enjoy traveling
and trying new things as well.

Matthew: Rolf is incredibly wonderful. He's got
the biggest heart, and when he doesn't have his chest
all puffed up and being his namesake, a wolf, he's
really sweet and caring. He knows how to cut through
the bull, both what I manufacture and imagine, and
helps me see whatever problem I have more clearly.
And I know he'll always be there for me.

Rolf: Alright, WHAT do you want. <smiling>

Matthew: <sticking tongue out>

List Dictator: What song do you most associate with
your partner?

Rolf: Must be that tune they play at the opening of
every Looney Toons Cartoon.

Matthew: I guess I'll have to be the grown up here.
I'd say.....No Matter What. I know Rolf will be
there, no matter what I do. It's incredibly nice to
know that I can wind up in horrible trouble, but he'll
always be there for me. And when not in trouble, he's
there for all my accomplishments.

Rolf: That was really sweet....and true. I think,
truthfully, something along the lines of You Are the
Sunshine of My Life. That, at least in title, says it
pretty good.

List Dictator: If you could make your partner throw
away one thing in the house, what would it be? And
why?

Matthew: Are you kidding? His evil cat. The one
that hates me.

Rolf: No fair, that's a live animal.

Matthew: Okay, then the paddle. Throw THAT away.

Rolf: That's yours, not mine. And I wouldn't choose
that to get rid of.

Matthew: <pouting>

Rolf: I think I'd choose to lose that Elmo doll
that sits on his side of the bed.

Matthew: ROLF! <blushing>

Rolf: He is FOREVER punching the dolls' stomachs
whenever we go to the store, and he likes to punch his
Elmo at the most inopportune times. And the cats step
across it, setting him off in the middle of the night.
You wake up from a deep sleep feeling this thing shake
and saying "ooooh, that tickles". NOT my idea of a
good night! <laughing>

List Dictator: <laughing> What pet names do you have
for each other?

Matthew: WOLF.

Rolf: Brat.

Matthew: Taz.

Rolf: Tigger, he bounces without care, and is JUST
as picky when it comes to eating as the real one.

Matthew: <muttering>

Rolf: Sport. Double Trouble. I could go on and
on.

List Dictator: Let's return to some discipline
questions.

Matthew: That's what they ALL want to know....

Rolf: <LOOK>

List Dictator: Someone stated that they didn't
realize you two were lovers, that Matthew has his own
room. They also wondered whether no sex was ever used
as a punishment.

Matthew: <hopping up, pacing> What? Well.....
<looking around overhead>

Rolf: <warning tones> Matthew, are you sure......?

Matthew: I think we need to make this clear.
<still looking over his shoulder> Mr. Dictator? My
AUTHOR was unable to show that love clearly in
the early stories. The love has ALWAYS been there,
but the author just couldn't find the words he wanted
to use.

AUTHOR: MATTHEW! I COULD ERASE YOU WITH ONE STROKE
OF THE PEN...ONE CLICK OF A KEY!

Matthew: <diving into Rolf's lap for protection> I
KNOW! PLEASE DON'T! Don't you want them to know?

AUTHOR: <silence>

Matthew: <getting up> I had/have my own room. It
was just the way things started out. I had a place
for my stuff. But it's a room. One that I usually no
longer sleep alone in. Rolf and I are both tall, and
early on, we were still getting used to sleeping
together. It's not something that we have to do to
show affection towards one another. Most, if not all
nights,
are now spent in his room....our room. As for the
last part of that question, sex has NEVER, nor will
EVER be used as a punishment. We don't have sex after
a spanking, but that's not because he won't "let" me.
It's because the mood isn't there at that moment in
time. He lets me know in a thousand different ways how
much he cares. Sex is only one of them. <sits
back down, thankful the author didn't strike him
dead>

List Dictator: Rolf, when Matthew and his friends get
in trouble together, do you speak with the other
partners to come up with group punishment, or do you
all handle things separately?

Rolf: That's happened on several occasions. We do
have several close friends in the same types of
relationships, and the boys tend to hang around
together and sometimes come up with unheard of ways
to get into trouble. If one of us knows about it, we
do let the others know. We share what knowledge we
have and put together the entire story. For the most
part,
each of us knows exactly what our partner responds
best to in deciding the punishment. We may discuss in
generalities what to do. Like this one incident
several months back where the boys got into a good
amount of mischief. We talked about it and decided
that everyone obviously had too much time on their
hands and we all had the boys donate their time for
the
next several weekends to various charities. As far
as deciding a set type or length of spanking, or
whether or not one is grounded and one not, no.

Matthew: It's not good when they all talk. But
that's rare. Thankfully. I do have a few friends who
seem to get the fourth degree by committee more
often than not! <whispering> But Rolf does NOT
know them.....and I intend to keep it that way.
<winks>

Rolf: Ahem.....

List Dictator: Matthew, have you ever confessed that
you'd gotten away with something after the fact?

Matthew: <hand raised> I plead the fifth, on
account of self incrimination.

Rolf: He has. I hope he continues. <LOOK> One
incident not too long ago Matthew could have chosen
not to tell me about, though I would have known the
following day. He felt badly enough about it that he
talked to me almost immediately. It was a serious
issue, and I'm glad that he came forth with it
voluntarily that quickly. Aside from the fact that I
would have been far angrier hearing about it from
someone else, he was upset enough about it that he
wanted to clear the air. I think when it comes to the

serious issues, he will come forth with
theinformation. If it's more simple mischief, I have
the distinct impression that I won't know about it
from him.

List Dictator: Rolf, does Matthew ever try to charm
his way out of a spanking?

Rolf: If he didn't, I'd think he was near certain
death!

Matthew: <to List Dictator> Are you KIDDING? I dare
you..or anyone else.. to ONCE get spanked by him!
You'd find levels of charm you didn't know existed!

Rolf: He exudes the charm of ten men under the gun.

Matthew: I will not EVER EVER EVER walk up to him
and say, go for it. I can honestly say
...sometimes...that I deserve it. But I will ALWAYS
try to get out of it. It flat out hurts like he..ck.

Rolf: Supposed to.

Matthew: Really? I thought it was a massage and
supposed to feel good. DUH.

List Dictator: Does it ever work?

Matthew: NO.

Rolf: I plead the fifth, on account of not giving
him any more weapons against me than he already has.

Matthew: Copycat.

List Dictator: How do you handle discipline when
Matthew is misbehaving in a public situation?

Matthew: <indignant> I'm good in public.

Rolf: <laughing> Remember Matthew, hockey games
ARE in public.

Matthew: <blushing>

Rolf: We try not to let the world know of the
discipline side of our relationship, as a lot of
people just don't understand. If Matthew is
misbehaving, a few well timed threats, a discreet swat
here or there usually work. If I can't remove him
from the situation for whatever reason, we have found
a quiet place to discuss his behavior. If we can,
we'll go home and
take care of things there.

Matthew: <to List Dictator> Ever notice how the
...tops... refer to a spanking as a discussion? If I
get yanked into a quiet place, it's his hand
discussing things with my butt, rather than a normal,
painless conversation.

Rolf: Yes, Matthew EVER interested in the
technicalities of the situation...

Matthew: I have to use everything I can!

List Dictator: One final question before you go.
What is your partner's best trait and worst fault?

Matthew: <snorting> HA! You expect me to answer
that!

Rolf: Best trait is his ability, or rather his
choice, to always try to keep everyone laughing. If
he can't get someone to crack a smile, then there is
something seriously wrong.

Matthew: Okay. If you can be nice, so can I. I
think his best trait is his ....... reliability. I
know he'll just always be there. Always be fair. I
need that ..... rock.

Rolf: <smiling> Thank you. Now the tricky part.
Worst fault. I'd have to pick on his timing. You
can set your watch ONLY as far as knowing he will
NEVER be where he says he will at the time he stated.
It's usually late, but it's not a constant time
either. Could vary from 5 minutes to 3 hours!

Matthew: I'm not a slave to a clock, which is YOUR
worst fault. So tightly controlled and obsessive
about time. I just don't see the purpose of always
having to be "on time". It's my time, I'll get
there when I'm good and ready.

Rolf: Did you ever think I wouldn't have to be so
obsessed with time if you paid at least a LITTLE
attention to it?

Matthew: No. And I do. Enough. Enough to know we
MUST be going, the game will be starting soon!
<jumping up, grabbing for Rolf's hand> Come on!
Now!

Rolf: <standing up, shaking hands> Hockey. Yes, we
are ALWAYS on time for hockey. Have a good day.

List Dictator: Thank you so much for taking time to
talk with our readers. I hope you've enjoyed it as
much as I have, and good luck on the game.